Whereas I think Lilith is interested in bringing the system down.

And that feels a very contemporary thing for a woman who’s suffered extreme pain to want to do.

“Guillermo is very, very big on backstory,” she explains.

DON’T LOOK UP, NIGHTMARE ALLEY

Cate Blanchett in “Don’t Look Up” (L) and “Nightmare Alley” (R).NIKO TAVERNISE/NETFLIX; Kerry Hayes/Searchlight Pictures

And particularly because the absurd became increasingly realistic and possible.

We were all living it.

We’re living the ridiculousness as a species.

NightmareAlleyis in theaters now, andDon’t Look Upis streaming on Netflix.

Listen to the full interview on EW’sThe Awardistpodcast below or available wherever you listen to podcasts.