The former First Daughter says the way the star has “talked about women is unconscionable to me.”

I listen to a lot of old-school Beyonce.

The one person she doesn’t have on her playlist?Kanye West.

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“I’ve had to let go of Kanye, because it’s just, I can’t.

That was some of my favorite running music.

And I have removed it from my music library.”

“I have long admired Kim’s commitment to criminal justice reform,” she says.

“I knew she’d gone to law school.

“I really like Megan Thee Stallion, and I also do love Cardi B.

And I also love when Cardi B sings on other songs.”

And frankly, I don’t think our guests thought I could either.

But she was terrific.

She was in the moment.

She really grabbed hold of whatever the challenge was.

So I love that about her.”

Gutsypremieres on Apple TV+ Sept. 9.