“He’s not like the Superman of killers where he has no Achilles heel.

If only he didn’t believe in love so desperately, he could just do this forever.”

Warning: This post contains spoilers from season 4, part 2 ofYou.

Penn Badgley as Joe Goldberg in episode 406 of You

Penn Badgley as Joe Goldberg.Courtesy of Netflix

the personhe identified as the Eat the Rich killerwas… not real.

But rather,Rhys is a figment of Joe’s imagination.

It seems all that killing and head trauma finally led Joe to a psychotic break.

You. Tati Gabrielle as Marienne in episode 401 of You

Tati Gabrielle on ‘You’.Netflix

And now, there’s no limit to what Joe (and Rhys) can do.

EW spoke withYoushowrunnerSera Gambleabout the twist and what it means for (a potential) season 5.

ENTERTAINMENT WEEKLY: What did you all like about having Joe ultimately be the killer?

But I’m pretty sure we’re gonna be able to drive straight through to safety.

I’m pretty sure we won’t get hit by the train.

Sometimes the best twist is the obvious answer.

But it’s more about how the story really starts at that moment.

It’s understandingwhyit’s been happening.

What went into the decision to have him finally fully break?

It’s not really a show about how somebody does what Joe does and gets caught.

[Laughs] We were like, “He starts a bit crazy.

There is the fakeout when he jumps off the bridge.

For a second, I seriously wondered if you all were killing him.

Did you consider it?

So that’s great that you were thinking that.

Cause anything could happen.

But then as soon as we shot episode 1 with Penn, it was so clear.

The show is Joe’s story.

What we’re making is a show that tracks the arc of a character from beginning to end.

So is he essentially unleashed going into season 5?

He has, in some ways, really gotten out of his own way.

You see that in his last scene with Nadia [Amy-Leigh Hickman].

He’s still both.

Love and mentorship are so important to him.

That’s really the double-edged sword that still remains.

He’s not like the Superman of killers where he has no Achilles heel.

If only he didn’t believe in love so desperately, he could just do this forever.

[Laughs]

Do you know how this show ends?

We have some ideas that we’ve been talking about pretty much from the beginning.

The thing that we have the most is an ongoing debate.

And then do we believe that he would get that kind of punishment?

My short answer is like, maybe not from the American system.

But there might be other ways.

[Laughs] So that’s the stuff we’re talking about.

She had been through so much by the time we met her.

She was the character who kind of broke Joe’s brain because she has so much integrity.

[Laughs]

Youseason 4 is streaming now on Netflix.